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October 2014
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sunbeam-spirit asked

Hello! Please let me have my opinion, as I am free to, on tumblr and in my country. I respect that you disagree. You, however, do not know my background or personal or who I have talked to about this topic. If you would like to tell me your abortion story, I will read and not try to deny you of your feelings. If you are interested in where I am coming from check out the Silent No More campaign. Peace&Love to you!

sunbeam-spirit:

forthecatholicgirls:

Of course everyone can have their own opinion. However, it seems like most people who responded to you are just trying to educate you on why these signs may be viewed as insensitive, naive, manipulative, misinformed or counter-productive. It would probably be better if you took the time to listen, and really think about the signs you choose to hold at protests.

xx

Hi! I have taken a lot of time to look into abortion and how I personally feel about it. This is it. I am sure we could both defend our sides for hours. I understand you view things differently; many of the people who commented on my post have told me to “fuck off” or blatantly, that I am wrong. Opinions cannot be wrong, though, theirs nor mine. Like I mentioned, if you want some examples of why I feel the way I do check out the Silent No More campaign! Thank you for your thoughtful and respectful response; I really do appreciate that. 

Thank you, but I came up in the pro-life movement, so I know all about the Silent No More campaign. I find it very manipulative and harmful to women. Again, no one is not saying you can’t have your opinion, but if women who have had abortions are speaking up and feel strongly about you holding that sign — and not in a way that you’re changing minds or hearts, or providing any sort of healing — maybe this thread is an educational moment.

xx

October 2014
12

sunbeam-spirit asked

Hello! Please let me have my opinion, as I am free to, on tumblr and in my country. I respect that you disagree. You, however, do not know my background or personal or who I have talked to about this topic. If you would like to tell me your abortion story, I will read and not try to deny you of your feelings. If you are interested in where I am coming from check out the Silent No More campaign. Peace&Love to you!

Of course everyone can have their own opinion. However, it seems like most people who responded to you are just trying to educate you on why these signs may be viewed as insensitive, naive, manipulative, misinformed or counter-productive. It would probably be better if you took the time to listen, and really think about the signs you choose to hold at protests.

xx

October 2014
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a-kat-astrophe:

sunbeam-spirit:

Went to a silent protest yesterday to stand up for and pray for my fallen unborn brothers and sisters, and of course, their mothers!

Ahem.I am a woman.I had an abortion.Guess who is not hurt because of that abortion?Me.Shut up, please, and thank you.

These are my most-hated anti-choice signs because:
1) The people holding them more often than not have never had an abortion.
2) The people holding them rarely listen to the stories of women who have had abortions. 
I’ve encountered people like this. If you try telling them your abortion story or how you feel about your abortion, but it’s not one that fits their narrative, they plug their ears or try to convince you, still, that you’re eternally depressed and shamed. 
That’s not productive, or even compassionate. And please, consider retiring these signs. 
xx

a-kat-astrophe:

sunbeam-spirit:

Went to a silent protest yesterday to stand up for and pray for my fallen unborn brothers and sisters, and of course, their mothers!

Ahem.

I am a woman.

I had an abortion.

Guess who is not hurt because of that abortion?

Me.

Shut up, please, and thank you.

These are my most-hated anti-choice signs because:

1) The people holding them more often than not have never had an abortion.

2) The people holding them rarely listen to the stories of women who have had abortions. 

I’ve encountered people like this. If you try telling them your abortion story or how you feel about your abortion, but it’s not one that fits their narrative, they plug their ears or try to convince you, still, that you’re eternally depressed and shamed. 

That’s not productive, or even compassionate. And please, consider retiring these signs. 

xx

October 2014
08
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A Plea To Catholics Standing Outside Abortion Clinics

sixftbeneaththemoon:

forthecatholicgirls:

For Catholics who spend their Saturdays standing outside abortion clinics, holding graphic or condescending signs and “fetus” rosaries, chanting the Our Father and singing hymns, I want you to think long and hard about how you choose to spend your Saturdays. I want you to think about if this is what the Lord truly called you to do. Because when I stand outside abortion clinics, as I did yesterday in Boston, I do not see the Lord in those saying the rosary while holding hand-drawn signs of “aborted fetuses.” I see zealous, prideful people with little humility and grace. I see selfish, sheltered people more concerned with their personal satisfaction than the feelings and rights and lives of others. I do not see Jesus, even as you go through the Our Father’s and Hail Mary’s and Glory Be’s.

This is not about getting your point across. I think you have already made your point loud and clear. The Catholic Church believes “life begins at conception” and you honor that. Still, you believe that the longer you wait outside abortion clinics each Saturday, the more women you will “save.” 

But you will not save them. These women (and trans men and those who don’t identify as women) do not need your saving. They need to access a clinic safely. They need to know they will be OK with whatever choice they choose. They do not need fear. They do not need stress. They do not need condemnation from people doing God’s misguided work.

For Catholics who spend their Saturdays outside abortion clinics, I want you to think long and hard whether your services would be better elsewhere. Why not go to a homeless shelter or domestic violence shelter instead? Why not donate baby clothes and diapers and food to new mothers who can’t afford motherhood? Why not spread God’s name through peaceful and dutiful work? 

And if you would like to say the rosary for the unborn, why not say it in a church? Light a candle and ask Mother Mary to give women considering abortion strength. But don’t forget — there are many women who pray to Mary to give them strength for their abortions. And the Blessed Mother does. 

For Catholics who spend their Saturdays outside abortion clinics, I have a hard time believing Jesus is standing with you. If Jesus were here on Earth in his earthly form today, there’s a much greater chance that he would be wearing a clinic escort vest, helping women inside and protecting them from those throwing stones.

I love this so much. As a Catholic I often get angry at my fellow Catholics who show no respect for gay people or women in need of abortions (or women in general). Jesus would not be standing shouting at women entering clinics. 

and viva Catholic feminists accepting people all all creeds, races and beliefs

Viva Catholic feminists indeed! 

(Reblogging because this post is very much needed during the 40 Days For Life campaign.)

#catholic   #abortion   
October 2014
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provoice:

Just to reiterate:

When I say I support all people who have abortions, there is no “but” that follows. My support is unconditional. All abortion stories are welcome here - no judgement. 

I love you ProVoice. Thanks for being here. <3

October 2014
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I Thought I Was Mad When I Saw How Many Abortion Clinics They Have. Then I Saw The Gun Dealers. (via Upworthy)
In Septemeber 2014, Missouri lawmakers decided women must wait 72 hours to “reflect on their decision” before they can get an abortion. ‘Cause, ya know, an abortion is one of those spur-of-the-moment decisions like ordering pay-per-view or having another glass of wine. And what about cases of rape, incest, or medical complications? Well, they have to wait 72 hours too.
On its own, this is pretty upsetting. But when you consider how easy it is to get one of those shiny metal things used to take people’s lives? That’s when the blinding rage sets in.

I Thought I Was Mad When I Saw How Many Abortion Clinics They Have. Then I Saw The Gun Dealers. (via Upworthy)

In Septemeber 2014, Missouri lawmakers decided women must wait 72 hours to “reflect on their decision” before they can get an abortion. ‘Cause, ya know, an abortion is one of those spur-of-the-moment decisions like ordering pay-per-view or having another glass of wine. And what about cases of rape, incest, or medical complications? Well, they have to wait 72 hours too.

On its own, this is pretty upsetting. But when you consider how easy it is to get one of those shiny metal things used to take people’s lives? That’s when the blinding rage sets in.

September 2014
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Anonymous asked

How do you feel about Catholicism's views about homosexuality? Do you find it difficult to be Catholic and gay?

legendxofxzach:

Hey, thanks for asking! Interesting question. I think you just opened the floodgates. 

I could write an entire thesis paper on Catholicism’s views towards homosexuality, honestly, and I can guarantee you I’m not the only one. In the interest of keeping this (semi) brief, I’ll simply state that it was hard for me at first and drove me to atheism, but after talking with religious leaders over the course of several years I have re-embraced my faith. I would like to focus on the issues of being gay and catholic, though, since it’s something I’ve never really had a chance to talk about. The issue with being both really comes down to two major things: identity policing and an unsupportive LGBT community.

First thing’s first, when you come out as Catholic when you’re gay (or vice versa), you get a lot of people who act somewhat supportive but, when on their own with you, ask questions like, “But you aren’t really Catholic, right? Like, you don’t actually believe in all that stuff, do you? Organized religion is so messed up!” No, I do. I’m not calling myself Catholic because I got messed up and thought it was a fancy word for being vegetarian. My religious affiliation is my own, and I totally invite you to ask me questions about it, but please don’t let me know that I “can’t possible be catholic” because that’s simply untrue. Where do most of these transgressions occur in my experience? The LGBT community. 

I think that, as a whole, it’s pretty safe to say the LGBT community isn’t necessarily friendly towards religion - and in some ways, that’s for a very good reason. A lot of people who are non-heterosexual or don’t identify as cisgendered have been bullied by people under the pretense of religion, but in my experiences, that really makes you out to be a social pariah when you admit that you believe in Christ and take that seriously. There’s a lot of micro-aggressions that go on in a variety of LGBT settings I’ve been involved in, and it wasn’t until I joined an LGBT club at a Jesuit university I’ve seen the most of that stop. I think that it’s really important to remind people that you can be Christian and gay, because the two aren’t mutually exclusive. I feel like it’s a touchy subject for most people because they feel thrown out of their religion due to their sexuality, but I don’t think that’s a true representation of what God would want for anyone. What it leads to, though, is an assumption in gay communities that all people are atheist (or MAYBE agnostic) and that anyone who isn’t has completely lost touch with reality. Makes it kinda tough too when you really want to date people who are also a part of your religion and there’s like absolutely nobody because they’re all typically patronizing towards the idea of God. 

Sorry, I started ranting. tl;dr - being a gay catholic is great, the only downside is people telling you that you can’t be one and that the LGBT community isn’t necessarily supportive. Plus, good luck finding another one to date. However, I remain hopeful and optimistic that this is a trend we will see change in the years to come. :) 

Really appreciate his thoughts on being an LGBT Catholic. For any LGBT Catholics out there, check out Dignity USA and New Ways Ministry—both are pro-gay Catholic networks. 

#catholic   #lgbtq   
September 2014
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September 2014
29

More from National Review writer Kevin Williamson on capital punishment for women who have had abortions (and for the doctors that provide them). Pro-lifers, take note: This is what would happen when you “abolish abortion.”

Is this pro-life, followers?

September 2014
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You cannot be Orthodox/Catholic and pro-choice. 

questionmarksonmywrist:

disabledprochoice:

forthecatholicgirls:

nightmaremoan:

Tell that to pre-schism Saint Brigid, who performed an abortion as a miracle. This political issue has only been adopted by Christianity in recent years, it’s not based in doctrine at all and is entirely cultural. There…

I haven’t talked to anyone of the Catholic hierarchy about abortion, but I have with my Grandma, who went to Catholic school from kindergarten until the second year of college (then she started at a public college, got married then got her degree) and goes to church every Sunday and has taught me more about my faith than anyone else and she’s 100% Pro Choice. She has taught me of both what it means to be a Catholic and what it means to be a Feminist. She was telling me about getting birth control after she and my grandfather had four kids in five years, because they didn’t need to have more children, and probably shouldn’t have, this was before Griswold v Connecticut was decided and she said that her doctor’s brother was a priest and the doctor ran it by his brother first and the doctor’s priest brother said that birth control was okay.

^^boosting for this great, brave story. I have a similar story about my devout Catholic grandmother and me. xx

September 2014
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You cannot be Orthodox/Catholic and pro-choice.

disabledprochoice:

forthecatholicgirls:

nightmaremoan:

Tell that to pre-schism Saint Brigid, who performed an abortion as a miracle. This political issue has only been adopted by Christianity in recent years, it’s not based in doctrine at all and is entirely cultural. There are many pro-choice Christians from all denominations. 

Re-blogging for the commentary.

Preach^^^ I’ve met catholic priests who stand by abortion, don’t you dare tell me it’s against the catholic religion.

^^^Re-blogging for commentary. You’re awesome.

September 2014
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You cannot be Orthodox/Catholic and pro-choice.

whollyhwojo:

forthecatholicgirls:

nightmaremoan:

Tell that to pre-schism Saint Brigid, who performed an abortion as a miracle. This political issue has only been adopted by Christianity in recent years, it’s not based in doctrine at all and is entirely cultural. There are many pro-choice Christians from all denominations. 

Re-blogging for the commentary.

I’m Catholic and I’m pro choice. What do I not exist? Am I finally the enigma I always dreamed of being?

Pro-choice Catholics exist. You tell ‘em!

September 2014
28
National Review writer says people who have abortions should be hanged.  This is what being pro-life has become. 

National Review writer says people who have abortions should be hanged.  This is what being pro-life has become. 

September 2014
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You cannot be Orthodox/Catholic and pro-choice. 

in-their-midst:

pyroinsanity:

forthecatholicgirls:

imafeministanddamnproud:

forthecatholicgirls:

cr0w13y:

varangoi:

yokosukababy:

forthecatholicgirls:

thefirstdayofourlives:

0cchi-luminosi:

I’m Roman Catholic and pro choice.

^^

pro-choice catholics like me beg to differ from this opinion.

Beg to differ all you want.

The Catholic Church is based in the…

You cannot be a pro-choice Catholic. If you claim to be so then you are an apostate. If you really think you’re in the right, give us your name, a photograph and your diocese so that your self-excommunication can be made formal.

Good luck excommunicating every pro-choice Catholic from the Church…it may take awhile!

Do you (OP) really believe in and follow every single catholic teaching ever? You cannot pick and choose which ones are worth lambasting others over.

Additionally, through Catholic Social Teachings, there are numerous ways in which being pro-choice could actually be defended. For example, preferential option for the poor provides Catholics with understanding of how to care for those in poverty, and pregnancy is certainly expensive, childbirth is expensive, there is no paid maternity leave in the US, and let alone the cost of raising a child. There are resources for those who can’t afford pregnancy/children and other options, but they aren’t right or even viable for many people.

Reblogging for the commentary. I struggle to see how being pro-life these days is actually being for life. It’s being anti-abortion without thinking about the consequences. To apply Catholic Social Teachings to the current, modern world, being pro-choice actually makes more sense. Catholics, of course, are called to serve the poor and alleviate poverty and the suffering that comes with it— that can also mean now advocating for birth control. I believe it’s been well-established that when women have access and the tools to plan their pregnancies, they are less likely to live in poverty, more likely to be healthy, and have a much better quality of life. Sounds like all good things to me.

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Let’s not leave out of the fact a lot of Catholicism comes from Judaism, where it’s a SIN for a woman not to receive an abortion if her health is in danger.

Let’s not forget the fact that Catholics and Christians in general do not follow the old law, but the new law as given to us in the New Testament.

It will always be a sin to commit murder.
Abortion kills an innocent child in the womb. Abortion is murder and therefore a sin. Do not twist scripture to suit your own agenda.

Let’s not forget abortion is not in scripture. You are twisting it to apply “murder” to fetuses in a woman’s uterus. That’s not in scripture.

xx